A podcast for people doing the work

Agile for Agilists.

The Agile For Agilists Podcast has one goal: great Agile conversations—the kind that leave you wishing someone had pressed record. So we did.

We’re Brad and Drew. Over the years, we’ve shared too many deep, inspiring conversations with remarkable people to let them disappear. This show captures that lightning in a bottle and beams it across space and time to your favorite podcast app.

Each episode goes beyond the playbook with candid, in-depth conversations about Agile values, principles, practices, tools, methodologies, and frameworks—and the neighboring worlds of product, design thinking, leadership, software development, coaching, Lean and scientific thinking, neuroscience, DevOps, cybersecurity, psychology, philosophy, and ethics.

We care about theory, but we always bring it back to what practitioners can use inside real, imperfect organizations. Guests including James Grenning, Jon Kern, Esther Derby, Daniel Vacanti, Jason Little, and other working thought-leaders challenge our assumptions and learn alongside us—and you.

For Scrum Masters, Agile coaches, product people, developers, leaders, and anyone trying to make work better.

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Behind the microphones

Meet the hosts.

Two practitioners with different paths, a shared respect for the people doing the work, and enough experience to know when the textbook answer is not enough.

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Drew Podwal

Co-founder and co-host

Drew is a U.S. Navy veteran, accomplished photographer, and volunteer supporting fellow veterans. His career spans field engineering, digital media, product delivery, and enterprise transformation. He has served as a manager, producer, project manager, Scrum Master, and coach across startups, scale-ups, and enterprises including Nickelodeon, HBO, and Mastercard. That breadth gives him a practical view of change—from the technical front line to executive leadership.

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Brad Nelson

Co-founder and co-host

Brad is a public speaker, organizer of the Agile Detroit meetup, and author of I Think, Therefore I Know: Scientific Thinking for Unscientific Organizations. His career spans design, engineering, product, and delivery across multiple industries, including work inside and alongside major technology companies. That breadth gives him a pragmatic, evidence-based perspective—and a healthy skepticism of simple answers to complex problems.

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